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 The Sid Compo II - final results    
THE SID COMPETITION II was held on 8. October - 4. November 2002 download all stuff - SID + PRG + D64 + BONUS TUNES + RESULTS here!. Read the article for complete results, bonus tunes & voters comments. Thank you all for your contributions, attention and a lot of great musics. And now, let's go outside!


[25] : 19. Nov 2002 14:49   
Yay! I didn’t come last for once :-p As a side note, I really prefered dane’s cover tune (politik) to the original one he did - you should all go and listen to that...

[26] : 19. Nov 2002 15:34   
>St0fF wrote: "Evryone likes ED - so why the hell are >you talking such stuff?" Not me. I don’t like tunes that I can’t hear if they are bugged or not. I like oldskool music, with a nice catchy melody...

[27] : 19. Nov 2002 15:43   
@Luca: There’s nothing like coherent parameters for judging which tune is best. It’s just everybodys personal taste that decides what one likes best. @ALiH: You’re not the only one that liked the first entry of Dane better. Not that his second one was bad (didn’t it win the compo? ;-) ) but the first one was actually so good that I had to get the CD of Coldplay. It’s called "A Rush of Blood to the Head" and if you’re into Radiohead, Madrugada, Travis and stuff like that I’d strongly suggest you take a listen!

[28] : 19. Nov 2002 17:02   
Steppe - If I made you buy the Coldplay CD I consider my mission successful :)

[29] : 19. Nov 2002 19:47   
ok, this is hard to say to ’pi’ but ’Opps! I failed again...’ is fantastic. A true winner for me, as I listen to it for hours...

[30] : 19. Nov 2002 21:32   
Yeah, I liked the bonus file of pi much better, you should have competed with this one.

[31] : 19. Nov 2002 22:15   
well... the know..the title of the tune probably wouldn’t have fit then...but thank you 8)

[32] : 19. Nov 2002 22:41   
"Everyone likes ED" - I don’t like him, either. Don’t mistake ignorance for originality. Vip, Wacek, Shogoon are original. ED and his followers are ignorants from my subjective, conservative point of view.
Smalltown Boy

[33] : 19. Nov 2002 23:21   
Well, I think the conservative point makes the scene stop evolving and as a result of that it’ll die out soon. But how can you say Ed and his followers are ignorants? Where do you take the right for this from? Getting industrial sounds out of this chip is much more challenging than what most of you presented in this compo! I actually made some d&b and industrial-like tunes that were played on the ’Maschinenfest’-festival this year in Aachen, and a lot of people came to the DJ and asked what this music was. This way you get much more people to listen to sid-music, not with keeping ’the original sound’. Noone of the big masses likes this, but smaller crowds can easily be convinced if they like the music. Those crowds are a lot larger than 100 people, like this crowd you guys belong to. And btw. there cannot be any followers of ED, ’cause everyone who tries ends up in his own style.

[34] : 20. Nov 2002 00:20   
st0ff. wait. you were at the maschinenfest?

[35] : 20. Nov 2002 14:57   
Stoff, you raise a good point. Of course the Sid music scene needs progress and new sources of inspiration. All music does. Personally I look upon composing as a challenge - if I can get melodies and harmonies that are catchy enough for people to remember them once they’ve turned off their computer, I’m satisfied. For me, melody and harmony has always been most important, more so than beat and sound structure. Please note, however, that both Politik and T&E were both attempts to renew my catalogue of instruments and effects. I don’t know how well that came across, but that was something I kept in my mind while working on these tunes. And as for ED - taste differs. I’m impressed by some of his tunes, like the Feedback soundtrack which I think suits its purpose wonderfully, but more allergic to other tunes he has made, just because I lack melody and harmony.

[36] : 20. Nov 2002 18:59   
Harmony and disharmony both are challenges. more than doing oldschool. And Dane: it worked! IMHO you’ve got the best instruments presented in this compo, might be because of you filter-choosage. But it was pretty hard to hear that it was just a single speed music. There were a lot of tracks here, where I thought it might be 25Hz, because the instruments were just too poor (And still within the top 10 ... somethings went strange, eh ;). I guess in this case it’s the experience that counts and makes up good sounds.

[37] : 20. Nov 2002 22:48   
Poor arrangment is 100 times worse than poor instruments.

[38] : 21. Nov 2002 09:11   
Not really, think about it again ;) What sounds good gets listened to, what doesn’t sound good, but is perfectly arranged might just hurt the ears. so IMHO it’s just 2 times worse...

[39] : 23. Nov 2002 23:27   
Hmm... interesting discussion. Evolution is a good thing. Every composer of some fame has come a long way finding their own unique style ever since their first outings, and I’m no exception. You have to evolve to find your own groove, and that road is marked by the experience you gain both from your own efforts and the inspiration you get from existing work and composers you look up to. I’m now at a point where my whole composing ’essence’ is about to change drastically, and Prancah is a first step towards that. Earlier, it used to be all about finding the ultimate instruments, because I used to think that that’s a must to get the best tunes. However, as you mature, you begin to see that this is not entirely true - there are no ’best instruments’ really, what you do is find those instruments which suit your tune and then implement them. The arrangement of your tune is far more important - as Dane said, you need to find structures such that the listener will remember them after they’ve turned off their respective media. As an example of this, listen to the soundtrack of Armalyte by Martin Walker. He uses simple, unfiltered sounds, yet the tunes he created are so well arranged that they easily outclass many tunes of the last 5 years. Still not convinced? Listen to a Martin Galway song. The atmosphere he created in some of his songs is still unrivalled, even though he used fairly simple sounds by today’s standards. That’s because he knew how to combine effectively - he had that insight I one day wish to have as well, albeit in my own style. Now don’t get me wrong. I love Ed’s work too - even made a small ode to him (Oded), and there’re a lot of ’alternative’ musics that I like, such as Astovel, or Praiser and definately Jeff. On PC I have many people I look up to such as Radix, Lluvia, Muffler, Virgill, ... it’s a long list. They don’t make mainstream music, they make _their_ music and it sounds great, even if they sometimes used ’inferior’ samples. Besides, if sample quality were _that_ important, how would one explain the success of the Popcorn song, for example, or Jarre’s work? Their samples are *so* outdated these days! Also, the socalled ’chipmusic’ has always been a popular genre inside the scene - meaning that people do acknowledge the arrangement skill rather than the ’having better samples’ skill. Anyway, this is getting overly long and in the end, it’s about what sounds good and what not. And as we all know, _that_ is a personal matter. No amount of debating about what is the ultimate way to make music will ever change that. Cheers!


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