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 The Sid Compo II - final results    
THE SID COMPETITION II was held on 8. October - 4. November 2002 download all stuff - SID + PRG + D64 + BONUS TUNES + RESULTS here!. Read the article for complete results, bonus tunes & voters comments. Thank you all for your contributions, attention and a lot of great musics. And now, let's go outside!

[1] : 18. Nov 2002 16:42   
For those who asked.. Next sidcompo --> Next october. As far as other compos are concerned, if there is any masochist who would like to organise and maintain generic-GFX compo at feel free to contact me. You must have some skills with HTML, you should be able to make screenshots of GFX.

[2] : 18. Nov 2002 17:12   
BWAHAHAHAAAAAH! ;_; *sniff* I’m sad ’coz my 13th place (16th, ’coz after a shared place for two entries, next place is not +1 but +2!). BTW, seems like the .prg only musics had been avoided ’coz their lack of userfriendship: can’t believe Richard’s entry is so low. Mermaid: leave your actual partner and matty me, love your tune! SuppahCompo, dudes! RealOxygen?! Congratulations to everybody who challenged!

[3] : 18. Nov 2002 17:13   
Ehrrr..."marry me", it was "marry me"...^^;

[4] : 18. Nov 2002 17:13   
respect to CreaMD :)

[5] : 18. Nov 2002 17:17   
Congrats to Dane! Your prize will be to buy ME a drink in Stockholm at Christmas time... (Your favourite time of the year...) My favourite tune was Trance’s tune.

[6] : 18. Nov 2002 19:22   
Yodelking - that’s the best offer I’ve had in years! And they say computer nerds miss out on all the action! (Seriously, this was great fun participating in Sid Compo 2. I’m surprised and happy about the vote results. This was not what I had expected, and I’m glad to see all the scene activity it has caused and look forward to taking part next year, or in whatever compo will come next!)

[7] : 18. Nov 2002 19:25   

[8] : 18. Nov 2002 20:09   
Pi - If it was a striptease compo, yes.

[9] : 18. Nov 2002 21:18   
You would have my vote for sure, dane-darling

[10] : 18. Nov 2002 22:34   
Don’t worry Luca ;-) 13th is a good place! don’t worry don’t worry! I like your song...but it’s too much "Trance" style... you must use a sound more like the "syntethizers of the 80’s"... like 80’s stile! ;-) ? un consiglio :-) ps and don’t tuch my Mermaid!!! :-P MERMAID RULEZ! SMACK! (chesspart forever!) :-)

[11] : 18. Nov 2002 23:11   
if anybody is interested: my tune is called "Ooops! I failed again(bored until Deadline RMX)"...

[12] : 18. Nov 2002 23:22   
Uhmmm, MattSid....80’s sound at this moment it’s not for me... Better the 13th place instead ^_-

[13] : 18. Nov 2002 23:23   
Hey, I’m glad not to be last ;) There surely were some ppl who realized, that the tune plays when they choose a new SID. And guess what: I just got another 8580-chip for a beer (good price, isn’t it?). Great, now I can replace it on my own board (did all the stuff with a borrowed C64). And MattSid: ’you must sound like’ is the most stupid thing I ever read. Evryone likes ED - so why the hell are you talking such stuff? Innovation rulez on a computer that’s nearly as old as I am - and prepare for sum recordbraking and innovative stuff in the upcoming time ;) And maybe next time more ppl see the hardship of putting classics and industrial together ...

[14] : 19. Nov 2002 00:19   
I’m very happy to see GH so high. He has been working on his sids for so long without much recognition from the bigger audience. If all goes well, another 100 sids by him will be in the next HVSC :))

[15] : 19. Nov 2002 01:49   
damn, forgot to vote and then voting is closed. and luca’s tune only #13. what a shame. you would have gotten 9 points as highest and only one from me! it’s not trancy, it’s good. Dane’s tune is one of his worst and surely doesnt deserve #1.

[16] : 19. Nov 2002 01:51   
did anyone else recognize Mermaid’s tune is heavily inspired by Rob Hubbard’s Tarzan in-game/night tune

[17] : 19. Nov 2002 03:18   
rough: lol! XD This is the ultimate punch in the stomach, ahahah! :D BTW, tnx for your support! Wait for the 3rd of the triad: Soulfxier, Mindfixer, then...

[18] : 19. Nov 2002 04:07   
Rough: I’ve never even heard that Hubbard-tune you’re talking about, actually.

[19] : 19. Nov 2002 04:14   
Rough: After listening to the Tarzan tunes I must say I can’t find any that sound like my tune. Which of the 12 songs do you mean?

[20] : 19. Nov 2002 09:50   
Did you recognize the "Madama Butterfly" main theme in my entry? Nooo? You’re still sane, then :D

[21] : 19. Nov 2002 10:18   
i won’t compose an oldschool tune for the next compo, i hope i get a better place than the 6th next time :)

[22] : 19. Nov 2002 11:34   
hey, 6 of 27 isn’t that bad, trance... i got 25 (and i somehow knew it bevore) 8)

[23] : 19. Nov 2002 12:20   
What i miss in most of todays sid tunes is a good melody. Sure, there are a couple of tunes that are really good, but many releases sounds like musicians "jamming" together.. like "restaurant" music. Guy Shavitt was a very good musician that came up with good sid sounds and had a knack of creating good melodies. Ofcourse i know many will disagree with me, but this is my opinion. Still i would like to say that it?s really great to see that there?s so many people interested in C64 music. The Sid scene will live on!

[24] : 19. Nov 2002 13:58   
Derek, you’re damagely right. I strongly hope that my music was in that "couple of"... This comment may evolve in another question:which have to be the coherent parameters in order to judge a SIDtune? Yeah, something Zzap!64-like, e.g.

[25] : 19. Nov 2002 14:49   
Yay! I didn’t come last for once :-p As a side note, I really prefered dane’s cover tune (politik) to the original one he did - you should all go and listen to that...

[26] : 19. Nov 2002 15:34   
>St0fF wrote: "Evryone likes ED - so why the hell are >you talking such stuff?" Not me. I don’t like tunes that I can’t hear if they are bugged or not. I like oldskool music, with a nice catchy melody...

[27] : 19. Nov 2002 15:43   
@Luca: There’s nothing like coherent parameters for judging which tune is best. It’s just everybodys personal taste that decides what one likes best. @ALiH: You’re not the only one that liked the first entry of Dane better. Not that his second one was bad (didn’t it win the compo? ;-) ) but the first one was actually so good that I had to get the CD of Coldplay. It’s called "A Rush of Blood to the Head" and if you’re into Radiohead, Madrugada, Travis and stuff like that I’d strongly suggest you take a listen!

[28] : 19. Nov 2002 17:02   
Steppe - If I made you buy the Coldplay CD I consider my mission successful :)

[29] : 19. Nov 2002 19:47   
ok, this is hard to say to ’pi’ but ’Opps! I failed again...’ is fantastic. A true winner for me, as I listen to it for hours...

[30] : 19. Nov 2002 21:32   
Yeah, I liked the bonus file of pi much better, you should have competed with this one.

[31] : 19. Nov 2002 22:15   
well... the know..the title of the tune probably wouldn’t have fit then...but thank you 8)

[32] : 19. Nov 2002 22:41   
"Everyone likes ED" - I don’t like him, either. Don’t mistake ignorance for originality. Vip, Wacek, Shogoon are original. ED and his followers are ignorants from my subjective, conservative point of view.
Smalltown Boy

[33] : 19. Nov 2002 23:21   
Well, I think the conservative point makes the scene stop evolving and as a result of that it’ll die out soon. But how can you say Ed and his followers are ignorants? Where do you take the right for this from? Getting industrial sounds out of this chip is much more challenging than what most of you presented in this compo! I actually made some d&b and industrial-like tunes that were played on the ’Maschinenfest’-festival this year in Aachen, and a lot of people came to the DJ and asked what this music was. This way you get much more people to listen to sid-music, not with keeping ’the original sound’. Noone of the big masses likes this, but smaller crowds can easily be convinced if they like the music. Those crowds are a lot larger than 100 people, like this crowd you guys belong to. And btw. there cannot be any followers of ED, ’cause everyone who tries ends up in his own style.

[34] : 20. Nov 2002 00:20   
st0ff. wait. you were at the maschinenfest?

[35] : 20. Nov 2002 14:57   
Stoff, you raise a good point. Of course the Sid music scene needs progress and new sources of inspiration. All music does. Personally I look upon composing as a challenge - if I can get melodies and harmonies that are catchy enough for people to remember them once they’ve turned off their computer, I’m satisfied. For me, melody and harmony has always been most important, more so than beat and sound structure. Please note, however, that both Politik and T&E were both attempts to renew my catalogue of instruments and effects. I don’t know how well that came across, but that was something I kept in my mind while working on these tunes. And as for ED - taste differs. I’m impressed by some of his tunes, like the Feedback soundtrack which I think suits its purpose wonderfully, but more allergic to other tunes he has made, just because I lack melody and harmony.

[36] : 20. Nov 2002 18:59   
Harmony and disharmony both are challenges. more than doing oldschool. And Dane: it worked! IMHO you’ve got the best instruments presented in this compo, might be because of you filter-choosage. But it was pretty hard to hear that it was just a single speed music. There were a lot of tracks here, where I thought it might be 25Hz, because the instruments were just too poor (And still within the top 10 ... somethings went strange, eh ;). I guess in this case it’s the experience that counts and makes up good sounds.

[37] : 20. Nov 2002 22:48   
Poor arrangment is 100 times worse than poor instruments.

[38] : 21. Nov 2002 09:11   
Not really, think about it again ;) What sounds good gets listened to, what doesn’t sound good, but is perfectly arranged might just hurt the ears. so IMHO it’s just 2 times worse...

[39] : 23. Nov 2002 23:27   
Hmm... interesting discussion. Evolution is a good thing. Every composer of some fame has come a long way finding their own unique style ever since their first outings, and I’m no exception. You have to evolve to find your own groove, and that road is marked by the experience you gain both from your own efforts and the inspiration you get from existing work and composers you look up to. I’m now at a point where my whole composing ’essence’ is about to change drastically, and Prancah is a first step towards that. Earlier, it used to be all about finding the ultimate instruments, because I used to think that that’s a must to get the best tunes. However, as you mature, you begin to see that this is not entirely true - there are no ’best instruments’ really, what you do is find those instruments which suit your tune and then implement them. The arrangement of your tune is far more important - as Dane said, you need to find structures such that the listener will remember them after they’ve turned off their respective media. As an example of this, listen to the soundtrack of Armalyte by Martin Walker. He uses simple, unfiltered sounds, yet the tunes he created are so well arranged that they easily outclass many tunes of the last 5 years. Still not convinced? Listen to a Martin Galway song. The atmosphere he created in some of his songs is still unrivalled, even though he used fairly simple sounds by today’s standards. That’s because he knew how to combine effectively - he had that insight I one day wish to have as well, albeit in my own style. Now don’t get me wrong. I love Ed’s work too - even made a small ode to him (Oded), and there’re a lot of ’alternative’ musics that I like, such as Astovel, or Praiser and definately Jeff. On PC I have many people I look up to such as Radix, Lluvia, Muffler, Virgill, ... it’s a long list. They don’t make mainstream music, they make _their_ music and it sounds great, even if they sometimes used ’inferior’ samples. Besides, if sample quality were _that_ important, how would one explain the success of the Popcorn song, for example, or Jarre’s work? Their samples are *so* outdated these days! Also, the socalled ’chipmusic’ has always been a popular genre inside the scene - meaning that people do acknowledge the arrangement skill rather than the ’having better samples’ skill. Anyway, this is getting overly long and in the end, it’s about what sounds good and what not. And as we all know, _that_ is a personal matter. No amount of debating about what is the ultimate way to make music will ever change that. Cheers!


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